, a couple years previous to that, that he saw romney care, or the plan he developed and created in massachusetts as a model for the country. you can find that video tape quite easily, john, i'm sure you will. >> not for the country as a whole. >> no, he said the model for the country as a whole. >> exit question, on a credibility scale from 0 to 100. no credibility whatsoever and 100 meaning total credibility, what is president obama's current credibility rating? 0 to 100. >> four, the highest level of lying quite frankly, so today, noncredibility level is probably 8 out of 10. >> you hear that, matthews? >> i say 66. >> right. and -- >> 66. >> four times that of his critics. >> what's your answer to the question? >> i'll go with the 66 and point out four times what the credibility of republicans in this debate. >> i think it's 38.79%. >> 38.79. we have to be precise on this show, john. >> okay, mclaughlin.com and answer to your comments. the mclaughlin.com does have its own website and you can watch our program or any of the recent programs, we go back to several decades on the web at any time